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LONG READ Are other All Blacks better suited to number six than Tupou Vaa'i?

Are other All Blacks better suited to number six than Tupou Vaa'i?
3 weeks ago

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and Steve Hansen probably still wishes he could take a ‘mulligan’ in the semi-final of the 2019 World Cup. One of the very few mistakes made in the golden era of All Black dominance was the selection of Scott Barrett at six for that game against Eddie Jones’ England.

The double World Cup winning coach had gambled on the big back-row and an assault on the English lineout, but the twin open-sides in the opposition [Tom Curry and Sam Underhill] carried the day. Hansen met the consequences of the misfire head-on in his post-match presser.

“If I turn round and say it backfired, then Scott is going to feel pretty average. So, I’m not going to turn around and say it backfired. I’ll take that one on the chin.

Scott Barrett was deployed on the blindside flank as New Zealand went down to England in the 2019 Rugby World Cup semi-final (Photo by Ashley Western/MB Media/Getty Images)

“Scott came out and played as well as he could. Did we want to win some more lineout ball? Yes, we did. But we didn’t. It takes more than one person to do that.

“If we had our time again, we might consider doing something different.”

That is probably as close as you will ever get to hearing an elite coach owning up to error. Since then, other All Blacks coaches have toyed with either the same, or similar ideas. ‘Scooter’ was back on the blindside for the first Test of the three-game series against Ireland in July 2022, with a new supremo, Hansen’s erstwhile assistant Ian Foster, extolling the virtues of starting the hybrid second/back row at six.

“If we look at the positives of it, apart from his set piece acumen – we know how good he is in that space – he’s also bringing a bruising defence and ball-carrying part to his game now.

“He’s probably our most dynamic lock ball-carrier at the moment. We can utilise that at number six.

“Scott finds a lot of the roles [between 4 and 6] very similar now, except for a couple of defensive tweaks that we’ve had to make sure we tidy up.”

Extra set-piece potential, heavier defence, more powerful ball-carrying. Ironically, in the current series against France, it is the Crusaders skipper who has for once been kept in the second row, where you suspect he enjoys life the most. This time around it is his 2024 partner Tupou Vaa’i who has been asked to make the shift to the back-row, with many of the same themes as before.

“The great thing about him is, [Tupou] has great footwork at the line, and you know he can hook it out the back late at the line, and he can tip the ball on to a good running line,” said All Blacks coach Scott Robertson.

“He’s a great defender too, which is a little bit further out and understanding and anticipating the game.

“It’s just reps for him, just a little bit of a change of his number on his back, all the core role stuff stays the same.”

You get the picture now. The All Blacks want to have their cake and eat it, with all the customary set-piece advantages of including an extra second row while hoping to stay on trend with the usual back-row chores. Moving Vaa’i to six also allowed ‘Razor’ to dip a toe in the water, and experiment with the biggest natural second row in New Zealand, 2.04m and 124kg Dutchman Fabian Holland. Holland looks like he could turn out to be a new age version of ‘the Guzzler’ himself, Brodie Retallick.

The set-piece part of the new pact in the back five certainly went to plan in the first two Tests, with the All Blacks winning 39 of their 40 lineout throws in relative comfort. The more interesting and subtle aspect of the comparison was how Holland and Vaa’i interacted with Christian Lio-Willie and Ardie Savea at numbers eight and seven respectively with ball in hand.

The basic idea is to commit Holland and Vaa’i to the cleanout at ruck time, while Savea and Lio-Willie shoulder most of the ball-carrying load. The theory worked well on occasion, especially when the All Black numbers seven and eight could combine with a very strong ball-carrying scrum-half in the shape of Cam Roigard.

 

It all works like clockwork: first Sava leading Roigard straight up the guts, then back on his feet for another pick-and-go play, followed by Lio-Willie with the option of Roigard for a second time. The cream on the cake was the interaction between seven, eight and nine from a driving lineout launch in Wellington.

 

The three locks all form part of the lineout ball-winning mechanics, and that leaves Savea, Lio-Willie and Roigard to perform an intricate choreography in the ball-using department. The ‘spray’ pattern works perfectly, with the Crusaders number eight drawing the defence to the open side with a fake, while the two ex- or current Hurricanes go blind virtually unopposed.

There was another magnificent moment at Sky Stadium when it all clicked into place, and the power of Savea set up Holland and Vaa’i for the open-field running to which they are best suited.

 

There was also a new division of responsibilities from lineout: Savea and Lio-Willie on consecutive carries to the wide side of the field, with Holland staying out of the carrying equation as one of their principal cleanout supports and Vaa’i remaining resolutely short-side for plays coming back to the near touchline.

 

In the first Test, it was in this facet of the attack that raised one of the questions about the selection of Vaa’i at number six.

 

New Zealand has always been one the best countries in the world – perhaps the best – at exploiting short side; at running plays into midfield from lineout, then boomeranging back to the near side touch with late movement by a group of reassembled backs. With Savea and Lio-Willie committed to the opposite side of the field, Vaa’i is not powerful enough to convince the French defence of the threat he offers as a runner, which means they can push straight on to the back behind him, Beauden Barrett.

 

 

The backs in the second line can only operate effectively in the confined space on a skinny short side if the forward in front of them presents an active threat, on both the carry and the pass.

When Roigard did make a clean break straight up the middle of the field in Dunedin from a tapped penalty, it was Scott Barrett rather than Vaa’i whose reactions more closely resembled those of a back-row forward.

 

Of the pair, Barrett is the quicker to react to Roigard’s movement and accelerate into close support, with Vaa’i looking relatively one-paced behind him and arriving too late to impact a turnover by France at the ensuing ruck.

If there is a rugby equivalent to famed soccer coach, the Italian ‘Tinker-man’ Claudio Ranieri, he would be having a field day with the selection of the current All Blacks back row, especially in the absence of the multi-dimensional Wallace Sititi at either number eight or six. Robertson is the third national supremo to experiment with a lock on the flank against northern hemisphere opponents in recent times, and with every repetition the jury remains stubbornly out.

The combination of Vaa’i, Holland and Scott Barrett at six, five and four looked suspect in Dunedin, but the addition of Patrick Tuipulotu for Barrett in Wellington clarified roles and helped oiled the wheels. Perhaps the underlying question is this: Barrett and Vaa’i formed probably the best second r0w partnership in the world in 2024, with Vaa’i filling a real hole in national selection. So why move him now? Is this really ‘the All Black way’?

There are plenty of high-quality back-row hybrids chafing at the bit for a chance – Dalton Papali’i, Peter Lakai, Ethan Blackadder and Luke Jacobson foremost among them, not to mention a specialist six in the form of Samipeni Finau. Du Plessis Kirifi is raring to go on the other side. The bell Ranieri used to ring for his players could be tolling now: “Dilly-ding, dilly-dong, wake up, wake up!”

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JJ 20 days ago

Keep Vaa'i at 6 and by 2027 he will be like what JK has been for the ABs.

Finau's struggling to make the stepup.

Sam Darry and Josh Lord will help filling the lock department. JL must put on some more muscle.

Carter and Caleb Tangitau the next generation wings

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TokoRFC 23 days ago

I wonder if Vaai at 6 is a two birds with one stone move. Last year we struggled to finish games and had some wobbles at lineout.


A lock at 6 is a way to improve the lineout options for at least 60 mins and allows two loose forwards on a 5-3 bench to up the tempo at the end of games if need be.


The all blacks aren’t short of ball runners and Jason Ryan has mentioned his ball running props specifically as a luxury he has. Food for thought at least, I think it’s a little early to call it a failure but too right in that the Boks are the litmus test here

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CO 23 days ago

Some Bok supporters might argue in vain but Vaa’i is the model that superseded the previous model known as the Pieter-Steph du Toit.


Hansen's pack got beaten to a pulp in 2019 by the English pack and it would've made zero difference who started at six.


Believing that Scooter starting at six was because they lost that semifinal ignores the reality that Hansen had overstayed his welcome as head coach and having effectively lost the Lions tour and become besotted with SBW should've been fired in 2017 and replaced with any one of Rennie, Schmidt or Joseph.


Both Nonu and Kaino should've been in that 2019 squad. Proven world cup final starters.


Frizzell is never getting the six jersey, he had a shocker of a world cup final and is yesterday's man dining out on one good performance against the Bok B team at Mt Smart. Frizzell is a myth.


The Allblacks current pack needs to bulk up due to it having a lot of small back rowers and no, Finau is not good enough to start, he's not direct enough or punishing enough.


The Allblacks need to stop anointing Sititi as the greatest thing since sliced bread, he's done very little this year, Christian is looking very solid at eight and seven is Saveas best spot to keep Christian starting.


Rassie is using loosies at hooker and so should the Allblacks. Playing Vaa’i at six isn't three locks, it's ensuring size to counter the other tier one packs and Vaa'i is fantastic at six.


Kirifi is okay but again hasn't done much and is too little, Lakai and Kirifi shouldn't be in the squad together.

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TokoRFC 23 days ago

Lot of hot tales here CO but I’m glad you don’t look at Frizell with the same rose tinted glasses most kiwis do.


We have to give Finau a chance as there are few others with all the attributes to be the 6 we need and hes still young. But if he doesn’t begin by stepping up this weekend, people's patience with be justifiably wearing thin.

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Koro Teeps 23 days ago

Holland has had test match animal written all over him for the last two seasons. Razor and Co knew they had to make room for him. Vaa'i was outstanding last year and they weren’t going to drop their captain. Vaa'i posseses all the attributes of a top blindside and has the athletic/physicality that the AB loose forward trio have been missing for several seasons. Sititi to 8! Dangerous

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Rugby 101 - Ed Pye 24 days ago

I think this is relatively weak analysis here Nick. Yes, we know that Vaai is not yet the same running threat as someone like Frizzell, but I think you might be looking at his performances with some confirmation bias here.


Over his 2 games, the stats tell us:

He was one of the top NZ tacklers over the 2 games with 19 tackles at 90.5%

He was 2nd for turnovers won with 2

He was 3rd for lineouts won

He was middle of the pack for meters run, but also scored 2 tries


He has already played better in his first 2 games at 6 than Barrett did in any of the matches he played there. The increase in set piece stats demand that we give him a chance to improve his attacking game.


Of course, right now we would kill to have Frizzell back but there have been positives to Vaais move too.

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NB 23 days ago

You need to look at the reality behind the stats too Ed, for example how Vaai got his run metres - mostly on that long finishing run in the second Test.


Also consider the level of the opposition which is sub-par compared to what he would face in a TRC back row, versus Matera or PSDT for example.


So some perspective is needed…

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SC 24 days ago

I would also add that Va’ai is as quick and athletic as Finau or Frizell and has a higher work rate than either and simply needs time to learn the proper running lines and the patterns of a 6 in the All Black structures.

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NB 23 days ago

I reckong those are rose-tinted specs at work SC! Now he’s suddenly better than Frizell?? Really?

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JW 23 days ago

He doesn’t have the same natural ability though, and that’s what this article is pointing out.

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Spew_81 24 days ago

Vaa’i’s work rate is very good. To be a dominant test 6 he needs to up his abrasiveness in running and tackling. He’s not far off. Unsure if he will get the time to do develop. Robertson might see 6 as a backup role for Vaa’i.

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SC 24 days ago

Hey Nick. Great article but I think you answer your own question regarding why split up Barrett-Va’ai.


Fabian Holland is the best forward to come out of NZ since Brodie Retallick and he is already too good not to start.


And by 2027 Holland will very likely be at prime Retallick level of lock .


So with Scott Barrett being a very good tight lock and more suited to that role than Va’ai, , Va’ai’s fate is to move to 6 or be a bench lock.

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NB 23 days ago

Holland does look the biz SC, though I await far sterner tests than France has offered so far. I Holland gets bigger as Guzzler did he could partner Vaai when SB retires.

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SadersMan 24 days ago

Interesting about Holland, he’d always been a tall, skinny, back, until aged 16. When he got to Christchurch BHS, the coach took one look at him, said “you’re a lock” & that was that. He looked like a weed back then. Still much to learn, & needs to go through the fire v RSA, IRE etc, but so far so good. Born in the Netherlands, made in NZ.


And I agree 100%, Va'ai's future is predominantly as a #6/lock. There’ll be iterations in the back five of course along the way. And hopefully this will inspire Finau who Ryan rates long term, to rise to the competition. Building depth is on track.

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MDL 24 days ago

Vaa’i is just providing an option now until Sititi or Frizzell are back. It’s not long term

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TokoRFC 24 days ago

I’m not sure Frizzell is the answer so many kiwis hope he is. He wasn’t dominant against the Boks or Lions recently.

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JW 24 days ago

Vaa’i is not powerful enough to convince the French defence of the threat he offers as a runner

That’s nothing to do with Vaa’i. Thats just a very simple system, their backdoor plays all look that way, you won’t ever see Vaa’i carry or pass it to the support.

it was Scott Barrett rather than Vaa’i whose reactions more closely resembled those of a back-row forward.

Yes! I don’t know why Razor is only interested in testing having three locks on the field, I really think they can use someone like Barrett to become a true 6. Vaa’i, as you point out, has that lanky lock look with his leg drive. He’s fine imitating the Guzzler rangeing and offloading but Scott is basically a bigger version of Ardie Savea and perfect for the blind.

with every repetition the jury remains stubbornly out

I think the jury is that Vaa’i as you described the role above is a perfect success. Well, actually no, perfect would be something that lead you to discover something else, and has Vaa’i’s ease at 6 convinced Razor he should find a permanent replacement their in Scott? I don’t think so.

Is this really ‘the All Black way’?

I’m afraid so. I can’t remember the last time an All Black captain was dropped. They’ll find a way to keep him in for the next 3 years.


Also, with Vaa’i cleaning work and those stats, you haven’t separated his time at Lock from his time at 6 have you? I think probably Vaa’i is doing a lot more after he moves to lock but for me it’s not enough to make up for the two starting props leaving. Or more specifically, theres probably not enough grunt down low when both replacement props become your dominant carry options. Did that ever come across as a factor for the poor second halves in both game?

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NB 24 days ago

Well if they run those comeback plays with Finau, let’s see if there is a diff shall we?😁


And yes, it could be better the other way around with Vaai 5 and SB 6, but again - why break up a partnership which was one of the main AB successes in 2024??


I don’t think you can talk of Vaai as a 6 success until you see him against a decent opponent, and France B is not that. They are just ‘Top 14 Baabaas’. Wait for the Boks, wait for Argy.


I’m looking forward to watching the impact of Tuipulotu, Taukeiaho, Finau and Ardie as a group. I think AB carrying will go up a notch.

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